Fragger
Smash Journeyman
Dis. I play against Fino quite a bit but I still get pwned.I too need advice against Olimar.
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Dis. I play against Fino quite a bit but I still get pwned.I too need advice against Olimar.
^ThisStep 1: watch how mjg plays olimar.
step 2: take notes. mental or written. or both.
step 3: nair; especially full hop nair to spaced zair.
step 4: use less bombs and more arrows/boomerang.
That's all I have. This list may seem to be a gross oversimplification...but I would say he's one of the best at the matchup. Nair is what works for me when I play Oli.
Either way, I get completley bent over by a good Olimar. But I'll look at that stuff and try it out. Next time we play, I'll try the Full Hop Nair and MOAR quickdraws.Also, I don't think I play you with Olimar very much fragger O.o?
Um, DONT GET GRABBED. This was basically all Lux(he plays ICs) told me at first when I started to play against him. I try to stay in the air and cover my landings with Zair, I-Bomb, Quickdraws. Yes you do want to draw more bombs than general b/c those will save you from basically losing a stock. This is all from me playing IC's though since I assume you mean chaingrabs in general.Is there anything we can do against D3 besides more camping? I hate having to deal with chain grabs. I tried holding on to bombs or at least keep them carefully placed to break chain grabs, but I still have a lot of trouble.
Yeah this one was in KC and it was the first time i met you. You said it was a good representation of all the tools TL has on IC's or something like that.You weren't @ this tournament lol...
I told you WAY more stuff than just "don't get grabbed". I actually NEVER say "Don't Get Grabbed" because I think it's a negative stereotype of arrogance for the IC community and is an insult to the character depth and largely ignores what I feel is the most important aspect of the character (frame advantage by desync). I told you to I-Bomb me out of Uair to separate me and trap me in shield with projectiles to help zone me. When we first started playing, I rarely to never used ICs against you because new people playing against ICs is dumb (I still rarely to never play ICs against you). Please don't portray me as a negative, arrogant stereotype. I do that fine on my own.Um, DONT GET GRABBED. This was basically all Lux(he plays ICs) told me at first when I started to play against him.
King DDD grabbing you is nowhere near as bad as ICs grabbing you as far as I can tell in the matchup. I would assume you would use those options on all matchups as part of your general camp/zoning game.I try to stay in the air and cover my landings with Zair, I-Bomb, Quickdraws. Yes you do want to draw more bombs than general b/c those will save you from basically losing a stock. This is all from me playing IC's though since I assume you mean chaingrabs in general.
You definitely weren't. You were at Midwest Net Warz: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308903
Yes. I you can find them on this channel when they get uploaded:I just found out I have no idea how to fight olimar
I just need some crucial pointers on that MU
Like how the **** am I supposed to use bombs or just not at all
And btw MJG
Was your match with denti recorded? That would help a bunch
Fox is playing the MU right if he is running away from TL. You have to keep Fox at mid range (same as falco) since the lasers will deal damage across the stage and fox beats TL in the "Closer Quarters Combat" game. When fox is in the air above TL, either get from underneath fox, wait for fox to dair your shield so that you can either grab fox or footstool fox OoS (yes this works), use a retreating bair so that your sword sweeps underneath TL and so that it will hit fox as well. I didn't list Up air because fox can just shine stall and avoid the up air if he wants to and you will get punished heavily for it. Learn how to CG fox at low percentages. Grabbing fox is not something that I would focus on doing but it is really helpful if you are lucky enough to grab fox at a low percentage. Anticipate fox's ability to close space between yourself and fox very quickly. This may be pretty obvious at times but if you get in a position where you are just too close to fox, hold your shield and wait for him to attack your shield or for fox to grab you (the better option). I would rather take damage from a grab than to lose a stock from Up Smash. If your boomerang is returning to you, expect fox to either shield/jump away from the boomerang or to just use his reflector on its return. If fox decides to use his reflector, approach fox with zair. This not only stops your boomerang from dealing damage to TL but you are also able to follow up after the zair since fox has too much lag after his reflector. Don't play around on the ledge against fox for too long. Fox can gimp TL with relative ease if you aren't careful. A lot of fox mains will use fair while using their second jump since it lets fox go even higher during his jump. Fair fox out of his jump when he is recovering below the stage and follow up from there. Dair fox out of his recovery if you are in the position to do so (no I am not trolling). If fox use up tilt against your shield after he dairs or if his back is facing TL, TL can punish with nair or bair.MJG could you do a write up on the fox mu? I still have yet to figure it out and it just gets frustrating when fox has the lead and runs away.
whenever you have the chance, it being finals weeks and all
1. go watch Jerm on youtube.*Any suggestions?
This was really helpful. I'll see If I can get some matches from a tournament I have tomorrow recorded, and then maybe post them on the critique thread.Hope this helps