The New Mario Match-Up Index

Coolwhip · Feb 11, 2011

I will work hard to make mario reach the top!
But seriously, i wish Dr.mario was in brawl. He was stronger then mario & his fair was broken. :[

Omari · Feb 11, 2011

Coolwhip said:
I will work hard to make mario reach the top!
But seriously, i wish Dr.mario was in brawl. He was stronger then mario & his fair was broken. :[

Work smart Coolwhip, working hard only results in you dying faster (LOL, you'd be killing yourself). All jokes aside, I'm very sure you (all true Mario mains) will do their thing to better Mario as a character. Regarding Melee, Dr. Mario's Front Air (f-air) made perfect sense (which made no sense).

Inferno3044 · Feb 11, 2011

Get at the Kobe

guapanga · Feb 11, 2011

!! omariiiii !! you !enjoy arguing about mario here , eehh ??

mario can beat any pro character . boss is the best mario. but i doubt he use 100% marios potential . mario need more rep and new talents will appear in the process

A2ZOMG · Feb 11, 2011

In the meantime, someone needs to get Flameleon to the USA...

But KirinBlaze will do for the time being.

Inferno3044 · Feb 12, 2011

I've actually never seen him offline. Can you show some of his tourney results?

vato_break · Feb 12, 2011

They are from mexican rulesets and they have tournament like once every three months, i don't think results are posted for those tournaments though.

A2ZOMG · Feb 12, 2011

He has a few offline matches against a Falco in his area. Look it up.

Fire! · Feb 12, 2011

We seriously need to get Flame a plane ticket. Or at least record some of his matches.

Coolwhip · Feb 13, 2011

Fire! said:
We seriously need to get Flame a plane ticket. Or at least record some of his matches.

He got a ton of videos on his youtube.

Jimmyfosho · Feb 13, 2011

like sorta outdated wifi ones.

Cezz624 · Mar 14, 2011

Really good index, I don't think Mario is for beginners, most of his match ups are hard for him.

KMFBrawler · Mar 15, 2011

Cezz624 said:
Really good index, I don't think Mario is for beginners, most of his match ups are hard for him.

True, that's the thing about Low-Tiers.

Sleek Media · Mar 17, 2011

He's a good character for beginners to learn with, since he is more or less the standard in terms of gameplay. If you learn with Mario, you can pick up everyone else very easily, and you'll have good basic skills since Mario doesn't have any move or attribute you can rely on too much.

A2ZOMG · Mar 17, 2011

I actually think Mario is really difficult to learn on a low level in Brawl. This is part of the reason why Mario users haven't had particularly great success in tournament. Even if we have good matchups (which we most certainly do), Mario is generally a character that requires constant attention and care.

Inferno3044 · Mar 18, 2011

A2ZOMG said:
I actually think Mario is really difficult to learn on a low level in Brawl. This is part of the reason why Mario users haven't had particularly great success in tournament. Even if we have good matchups (which we most certainly do), Mario is generally a character that requires constant attention and care.

I agree with all of this except for Mario has good MUs. Using the BBR rating, Mario has a lot of -1's. He has a lot of winnable MUs, but not good. Other than MK, Marth, D3, and super campy Falco, he can win any MU.

A2ZOMG · Mar 18, 2011

I definitely think we have more favorable matchups than the BBR chart implies (move around some of the +-0 matchups here and there), but there isn't enough high level representation from Mario to prove it.

KMFBrawler · Mar 20, 2011

Can anyone give some tips on how to play against Wario?

condemned_soul · Mar 20, 2011

hey has anyone played redryu the lucario main?

Matador · Mar 20, 2011

condemned_soul said:
hey has anyone played redryu the lucario main?

Only on wifi.

condemned_soul · Mar 20, 2011

how did you do against him?

Matador · Mar 20, 2011

condemned_soul said:
how did you do against him?

Won both times we played on ladder.

We played a ton of friendlies too, but I won majority.

Not easily tho...he's formidable.

But yeah...its wifi.

Why??

condemned_soul · Mar 20, 2011

beat him in pools at my last tourney and just wondered how good of lucario main he was?

came down to game 3 last stock both at like 130%

and ran at him SH fireball (he shielded), then dash danced once back and forth(he spot dodged as i with dashing towards him), and I did a stutter step Fsmash which I only did because everytime I Fsmashed, i would miss by inches and would get hit by his Fsmash and won the set

PS. Matador you pic scares me a little

Matador · Mar 20, 2011

Yeah, that sounds like one of the habits that his playstyle has. Good stuff at realizing and punishing it during a tourney set.

And yeah, my avi is based off of this story. http://inuscreepystuff.blogspot.com/2010/09/majora.html

Very long, but it was interesting to me, lol.

condemned_soul · Mar 20, 2011

wow that story creeped me the **** out. I super doubt its real but hey i guess anything is possible lol

Matador · Mar 21, 2011

Yeah, definitely not real. Really great story tho, lol.

condemned_soul · Mar 21, 2011

how did you find that story.......Im so intrigued with it for some reason

Matador · Mar 21, 2011

condemned_soul said:
how did you find that story.......Im so intrigued with it for some reason

A crewmate told me to search for it on google while we were playing Majora's mask, lol.

Dunno how he found it.

condemned_soul · Mar 21, 2011

if you find any other things like that, let me know. im going to go look for more of these

Rizk18 · Mar 22, 2011

Fox's are rediscussing the Mario MU

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=12401800#post12401800

Matador · Mar 23, 2011

Can you Fludd Kirby and make him lose his powers?

Cuz I think I just did...

Edit: yeah...I just confirmed it...how come I didn't know this?

Jimmyfosho · Mar 23, 2011

Lol didn't know that either good ****.

Matt07 · Mar 23, 2011

Umm, what the ****? Lol, nice find, I wonder why FLUDD does that O_o.

A2ZOMG · Mar 24, 2011

KMFBrawler said:
Can anyone give some tips on how to play against Wario?

Vs Wario is somewhat hard to explain, but the jist of it is B-airs and tilts are really good against him. Knowing how to not get grab baited is EXTREMELY important against Wario as well, because he'll rely a lot on that for kills.

All in all the only problem Wario should actually give you is the fact you have to legitimately outplay him to land the kill move (pick any fresh Smash. U-smash generally is the easiest in this matchup). You generally should be able to do more damage to him if your spacing is decent. CPing him to Brinstar is also good, especially since most Wario mains don't understand that Mario is significantly better on that stage.

Matador · Mar 24, 2011

How do we beat him there?

Just camp him with fireballs and bair?

A2ZOMG · Mar 24, 2011

If Wario tries to fight Mario on the ground, he generally loses. If he tries to camp on the platforms, your superior platform pressure dominates him, while Wario in comparison doesn't really have as much to do to really scare Mario when Mario platform camps.

Honestly it's as simple as that. Brinstar just naturally works better for Mario in every way in that matchup. You also adapt to lava rises better than Wario does. And yes, the fact you can fireball camp also helps.

Inferno3044 · Mar 24, 2011

A2ZOMG said:
If Wario tries to fight Mario on the ground, he generally loses. If he tries to camp on the platforms, your superior platform pressure dominates him, while Wario in comparison doesn't really have as much to do to really scare Mario when Mario platform camps.

Honestly it's as simple as that. Brinstar just naturally works better for Mario in every way in that matchup. You also adapt to lava rises better than Wario does. And yes, the fact you can fireball camp also helps.

What does Mario have to scare Wario on platforms?

Matador · Mar 24, 2011

Inferno3044 said:
What does Mario have to scare Wario on platforms?

Mario's platform pressure >>>>>

Mario's Usmash on platforms >>>>>

Juushichi · Mar 24, 2011

Platform pressure - dair/uair/nair(?).

On the ground we can hold our own and Wario vs Mario with us on the ground has some of his aerial approach vectors narrowed down.

He can still wiggle around with that stupid air mobility, but he can't get in as easily.

On platforms Mario's smashes in general cover everywhere on said platform.

Matador · Mar 24, 2011

Dair and Nair mostly, but Uair and Bair are amazing too. It works because of how low lag our aerials are. That's why Luigi's platform pressure is amazing as well.

He doesn't have our dair though...which I'm starting to believe is kinda broken for platform pressure.

No bull...I hit others with it and can't really figure out what I'd do if I were in their shoes...aside from avoiding the platform completely.

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