The Jiggz Match-Up Thread

[EraOfGames]

How about we discuss Zelda? Or any low tier character at least.

 

[Exegguter]

Lol, snake is way worse then that muratio more like 15:85.....
Ddd is also way worse
mk isn't as worse as 30;70 more like 40:60/35:65.
Gaw isnt 25:75 either more like 30:70
marth is also way more worse just like snake


Also if you're going to discuss low tiers.... (<___<).... Discuss yoshi

 

[-LzR-]

Exeggutor I couldn't really read your post it was a huge mess.

 

[Exegguter]

Exeggutor I couldn't really read your post it was a huge mess.

Whose exeggutor <_<? And what part is not able to read? <_<

 

[teluoborg]

Snake isn't as hard as Marth. Srsly just don't get into that Ftilt/Utilt area.

 

[Exegguter]

Yes he is, he can camp you kill you at 70 he's to heavy to ever k.o imagine if you'd face a snake with the di of ally, also nades ftilt/utilt and usmash kill like every approach, rest is useless

Blablabla i could go on forever

 

[B.Mack]

snake is like the easiest char to WoP once you get him offstage. you're probably never gonna kill him any way other than gimping. although, GaW and especially Marth are MILES worse for Jiggs.

I vote we discuss Zelda.

EDIT: yeah, rest is irrelevant anyway. not useful against anybody. Just that Snake's fsmash will kill you at like 5% and he can stick C4 to you for extra punishment.

 

[teluoborg]

Don't misunderstand me, I know the matchup is awful. But all of Jigg's matchups are, so what makes him special enough to make Jiggs' usual useless game even more useless ?

 

[KillerJawz]

EDIT: yeah, rest is irrelevant anyway. not useful against anybody. Just that Snake's fsmash will kill you at like 5% and he can stick C4 to you for extra punishment.

=_=....

Anyway. Zelda or Samus are my votes. The quicker we can get the LTs out of the way, the quicker we get people to stop moaning about her viability outside of LT.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Samus.
I can drop off my write-up.

 

[Noobicidal]

Alright, the general consensus seems to be Zelda and Samus, so we'll discuss Zelda first.

Match Up Thread Export - Zelda

In related news, I'm considering following suit of several other boards and dropping match up ratios altogether, and replacing it with the "Advantage, Neutal, Disadvantage, etc." system. It's really not worth bickering over five points. I'd like everyone's input on this matter.

Also, expect a massive overhaul of the OP of the Compendium and each individual match up export.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

That's fine with me. I've been writing... write ups on alot of my current matchup experience. I was planning on posting a bulk of it once i got done with a total of 7 characters. I previously had ratios... but everyone does bicker over stupid percents. I plan on dropping it soon, i'll just edit it to have advantage disadvantage neutral. That makes life alot easier. Especially for anyone reading previous matchups. There's always that one guy (me at one point) who comes in an says 'game and watch?! That must be a 35/65... not a 25/75' either way... it's a disadvantage.


Regardless of that useless paragraph i ended up writing.
yes.

 

[EraOfGames]

In related news, I'm considering following suit of several other boards and dropping match up ratios altogether, and replacing it with the "Advantage, Neutal, Disadvantage, etc." system. It's really not worth bickering over five points. I'd like everyone's input on this matter.

Also, expect a massive overhaul of the OP of the Compendium and each individual match up export.

Well the whole point of the ratios is to give an idea of how bad or good a MU is. I mean like how both ROB and GnW are disadvantages, but GnW is way worse for puff then ROB is (just as an example, I don't wanna argue if GnW is not that bad or ROB is terrible). Which is only slightly difficult and which is nigh impossible? I do think people arguing over a few points is dumb but I'm against removing ratios.

Also I look forward to the change to the OP, hasn't changed much in forever

 

[KillerJawz]

Numbers mean nothing in smash.

I say to you that Luigi to Jiggs is 60-40 (just random figures and chars I threw out). This means NOTHING. You don't want a summary of a match up. You want DETAILS. Ratios are nothing but hinderances to the metagame. They are not useful in the slightest.

From the information provided, you decide for yourself how you play the match up, knowing whos favor it is in will not help you in the slightest.

 

[-LzR-]

I agree, I hate people who drop by the MU threads without saying a single word and then they just drop in a number for a matchup they haven't even played before.

 

[Exegguter]

Ratios are there to give the difference between what match up is worse for her like eraofgames said. But. I agree with you on the detail part, and every person plays the match up different. But when people are seeing some mus as impossible and the other as 'just a disadvantage' while it's the other way around it doesn't make sence, this thread is now saying that wario is harder then ddd for example....

Offtopic:
Also 'lzr' I'm not taking things serious of you, from now on ill even ignore your horrible posts, :D

 

[-LzR-]

I wonder what I have done now, but I guess people have some problems with not agreeing with someone.

 

[Ayoub]

I guess it's normal to be a not-good-nor-known jiggs but still post so much crap.

 

[-LzR-]

Yeah show me some crap please sir.

 

[Ayoub]

http://www.smashboards.com/search.php?searchid=4152208

Here you are, loads of crap.

 

[-LzR-]

Kinda ironic as that link said no matches. I guess you were wrong after all.

 

[Ayoub]

Aw, poor link didnt feel like working.
Oh well; it was the link to your posts.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Guys.
i wanna talk about Zelda.

Like, she's annoying. Kills early.
and is a ***** to fight. And since she's in low tiers we should cover it.


Thanks.
-Mink

 

[Noobicidal]

Guys.
i wanna talk about Zelda.

Like, she's annoying. Kills early.
and is a ***** to fight. And since she's in low tiers we should cover it.


Thanks.
-Mink

Then please take your comments and concerns to the appropriate export thread.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295091

 

[*JuriHan*]

Zelda is pretty free offstage. She's tall and a big target but that u-smash is ****ing annoying for jigglypuff, so it's important to learn to sdi it

 

[GeneralWoodman]

Just stand awkwardly until she uses din's fire and then you **** her...gg

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

So... force the approach?

 

[Exegguter]

Here, a trick vs noobzelda:

If she's on the end of the stage go to the other end of the stage, charge rollout like a noob if the zelda wil use din's fire it's a free hit/kill lmao.

 

[Rizk18]

whos the best brawl jigz?

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Ooo.
scary question.
Alot of people don't play jiggly in big tourneys, only in low tiers. So it's hard to judge.

DaPuffster (jigglymaster) is probably the best jigglypuff. By tourney results, i think i am 2? I'm not 100% though.

 

[SoulPech]

@ Mink

Highest I placed was 4th place at a tournament in Toledo offline... roughly a year ago. All the other places I've been to I've been getting top 20 offline.

Last tournament I didnt make it out of pools because 14-15 top players in Ohio were there and there was only a 16 man bracket.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

@Soul.

Yeah, ive placed a few 2nds.

I vote Jennifurpuff.

 

[GeneralWoodman]

Its definitely Jennifurpuff...i mean shes undefeated 0.0

 

[SoulPech]

@ Noob:

I took a look at the threads for Mario and Lucas.

for Mario: Juu is right on that one.... Less stage = Jigglypuff. Didn't you say at the end of the thread that it was a 60:40 Jigglypuff's favor? If it is, then it's posted different in the OP.
for Lucas: I haven't played too many Lucas'. The only one I played was Tyr and he beat me on account of I didn't understand the match up. To my surprise, I take a look at the Lucas Matchup thread and it was....very thin.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Iplayed against Galeon. And Red Halberd's Lucas, and i beat halberds but Galeon's beat me.

Lucas is hard.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

PS Don't be surprised. for some reason the bulk of the matchup for low tiers is missing....


And people think we'll whip out pocket jigglys for high tiers -.-

 

[-LzR-]

Puff's MU's most of the time don't matter. People won't know the MU and we can get away with stupid stuff like rollout sometimes lol.
And Puff is like more popular than Zelda.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMP.

If nobody has any objection, I say we rediscuss some MUs.

 

[Cold Fusion]

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMP.

If nobody has any objection, I say we rediscuss some MUs.

I'm assuming you want to discuss Olimar. I do not object, but I really have nothing to add myself.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Well, yes, definitely Olimar.

But other Matchups would be pretty good too.

So let's start with Olimar then.