DDD now has a guranteed Usmash out of Dthrow on Us, Depends on stale moves.

[culexus・wau]

Results of Dthrow Buffered Dash Usmash. Yes means Usmash away, No means they slide out of range or powershield it. Only tested chaingrabbable characters, doesn't work on the Unchainable Twelve.


YES USMASH
LUCARIO
BOWSER
LINK
GANON
DDD
CHARIZARD
IVYSAUR
NESS
SONIC

NO USMASH
MARIO
SNAKE
WOLF
LUIGI
PEACH
DK
DIDDY
YOSHI
WARIO
TOON LINK
SAMUS
PIT
SOPO
ROB
WOLF
CAPTAIN FALCON
MARTHA
IKE
LUCAS

Well I kinda overacted.

Alright, I just tested it. If DDD has 5 or less Dthrows in the stale moves registry, Usmash is guaranteed. 6 or more and Lucario can powershield it.

So keep a general idea of Dthrow's freshness in your minds... or just always shield.

So keep a eye on those dthrows! I believe that theres 11 ques on the stale moves list but don't quote me on that [someone confirm plz]

This gives DDD an excuse to mix-up more VS us I guess to keep his grab fresh so he can get a guaranteed throw off that, but this also means more openings! so keep that in mind.

but meh another thing we have to keep track of in the DDD MU <_< its still kinda gay lol.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

DDD is still my most hated bad match-up. This just makes it worse. D:

At least it's not as bad as a free utilt.

 

[culexus・wau]

he has it on link too.

LOLOLOLOL

 

[RT]

The only option against D3s now...CAMP. HARD.

 

[culexus・wau]

This MU is a game of cat and mouse.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

he has it on link too.

LOLOLOLOL

He can also CG them both up slopes.

He's my #2 most hated MU, next to Fox.

 

[Browny]

I'll wait for verification from a REPUTABLE source before thinking twice about this.

 

[culexus・wau]

The smash lab isn't a REPUTABLE source?

that hate.

 

[SuSa]

I'll wait for verification from a REPUTABLE source before thinking twice about this.

It's possible.

Get *****.

 

[Browny]

The smash lab isn't a REPUTABLE source?

that hate.

Everything they have done either;

a) Has been done before.
b) Was useless information which is of no consequence to the metagame.
c) Was wrong.

Keep on hatin'

 

[RT]

It is.

Trela did it to me in friendlies just to make sure.

It works.

Although, there was one time where I PS'd it...but I assume because he did it too slow.

 

[culexus・wau]

DDD for hard counter/HARDEST MU hands down now?

about how early does upsmash kill us assuming we DI the **** out of it

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I already thought he was our worst match-up before this was found out, lol.

edit: Really, I'd just platform air camp and eat bairs all day if we can live those better than Usmash, since grab = Usmash.

 

[Luxor]

I'll wait for verification from a REPUTABLE source before thinking twice about this.

Now, now- don't you trust me?

I only ever got around to testing FRESH Dthrow btw; I hear it still works if Dthrow is slightly stale but NOT if it's really stale. So until I test that more... Well, always just hold your shield just in case.

 

[Luxor]

Alright, I just tested it. If DDD has 5 or less Dthrows in the stale moves registry, Usmash is guaranteed. 6 or more and Lucario can powershield it.

So keep a general idea of Dthrow's freshness in your minds... or just always shield.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm gonna just continue to play how I do against DDD, this just means I have to be a lot more wary at higher percentages.

 

[Kinzer]

Alright, I just tested it. If DDD has 5 or less Dthrows in the stale moves registry, Usmash is guaranteed.

Did you do it for any other character or did you just grab some quick figures for Lucario?

I'm curious. Really, when is his D-Throw not stale?

 

[Luxor]

Quick numbahs for Lucario only, since that was the most important of the affected matchups (nothing personal, Sonic).

If you're Ftilting around or whatever, get a grab near the edge, and can only do one regrab or a Usmash... you might want to go Usmash. Not just for kills, but for guaranteed %.

 

[culexus・wau]

Thank you luxor.

well its NOT HOPELESS now I guess <_<


browny has this hate of secret SWF groups , don't mind him.

 

[Kinzer]

Quick numbahs for Lucario only, since that was the most important of the affected matchups (nothing personal, Sonic).

No I gotc'ya.

You leave that up to me.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If people do think it becomes hopeless, there is always MK, Pikachu, Falco, Ice Climbers, Olimar, to help you out.

I doubt I can, outside of Falco I can't use anyone on that list anywhere near as well as Lucario. :<

 

[MythTrainerInfinity]

To properly DI D3's USmash to maximize survivability at high %s DI away from D3.

Once you get passed the 120% mark... Do not get grabbed.

 

[culexus・wau]

You can afford to get grabbed if its staled =)

I think most DDDs will try to mix it up/pummel more if they know they have staled dthrow so they can get that guaranteed kill off of grab.

So this means you have a wider mash out opportunity if they feel like risking a few pummels!

I'm actually a little excited now because this means some DDDs will start to mix-up instead of just use grab 50% and bair and ftilt the other 50% in this MU

adds depth to a boring mu lol Kinda bummed it made it harder though!


on the not so bright side.. it means DDD can ALWAYS revenge kill us off of grab now.. ouch <_<

 

[MythTrainerInfinity]

Yeah, but at like 120%+ he's going to get a free pummel in before dthrowing ya.

So now we have to keep track of his last ten hits, eh?

Five or less DThrows in the queue we get USmashed and if its more we shieldddddd.

 

[culexus・wau]

I've been able to break out after 1 pummel lol.

it just takes practice

AND MASHING

 

[phi1ny3]

Yeah, D3's pummels are about as bad as MK's lol

 

[Col. Stauffenberg]

What kind of idiot do you guys think can't keep under 6 dthrows in the stale moves queue? That's a pretty forgiving margin for a free kill lol

 

[culexus・wau]

^ this

idk we should play a few matches with this before making judgement

 

[phi1ny3]

Oh yeah, and they have to do a JC usmash, for those who didn't catch the details of the input
it's not just a buffered hyphen smash.

Oh well, working on my Sheik is going to be fun (especially with some of the stuff I found). My ICs/MK too, but I want to learn D3 v. Sheik/Zelda, it looks very interesting (pretty much another variation of D3 v. ZSS where there's no CG but Sheik/Zelda can get gimped pretty seriously if they don't watch out).

 

[SuSa]

I've been able to break out after 1 pummel lol.

it just takes practice

AND MASHING

I have a thread on the grab formula that was abandoned.

You can break out before DDD finishes 1 pummel at like 130% if you're Reflex.

 

[RT]

D3...he's smiling because he knows he can play super gay.

 

[iRJi]

I'll wait for verification from a REPUTABLE source before thinking twice about this.

It's possible. Me and Atomsk were testing it yesterday. You got like a 2 frame window to do it. It's hard as hell.

 

[solecalibur]

It's possible. Me and Atomsk were testing it yesterday. You got like a 2 frame window to do it. It's hard as hell.

Not with buffering

 

[RT]

So wait...is it possible to buffer a powershield?

 

[D. Disciple]

Myth and Flame can back me up when I said you can do this.

 

[culexus・wau]

iRJi I can do this on wifi no problems lulll

RT you just hold shield

 

[RT]

iRJi I can do this on wifi no problems lulll

RT you just hold shield

I know, that's a given, lol...but framewise, is it possible to powershield it?

I'm not really focused on details when it comes to frame stuff...a simple yes or no would suffice.

 

[Indigo Jeans]

NINE moves in stale move queue. Just throwing that out there.

Also lolbrowny. Testing frame by frame isn't reputable? Lol.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I know, that's a given, lol...but framewise, is it possible to powershield it?

I'm not really focused on details when it comes to frame stuff...a simple yes or no would suffice.

If it's done without a lot of stale and they do it right, no.

 

[Wolfcario]

mmm... as if DDD wasn't broken enough already.